Still in BT pursuit....

Hello All,

Just got out of a rabbit hole pursuing some of the "transparent" Black Triangles in which an observer only sees the lights on the three corners and an apparent transfer of the starfield behind the craft onto it's lower surface as a cloaking device rendering it virtually invisible to the eye. I've read several reports WRT this but afterwards I always had a sense that something wasn't quite right with the picture.

In other words why all the expense and effort at this cat-and-mouse stuff if one is going to leave the lights ON? Well folks, here is what I've discovered and am in the process of organizing data for:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Ocean_Surveillance_System

www.eclipsetours.com/sat/class.html

Just thought the info would be of benefit in my race to eliminate One's fear of UFO's so that the real work can begin. That of getting the real facts from the real people that know. But first, the fear factor has to dissappear.

Please excuse the long absence- these things take time as you must by now know .Over the next two or three weeks I hope to have a handle of just what groups of satellites are still operating within the NOSS (or similar) system. After observing the seeming repetitive orbital pattern of one designated group, 1996-029D, I think that the coverage by that one group alone must be, and probably is, only part of a larger system that generates more in the way of scope.

I'm of course going on two or three ideas here. The fact that some folks report only seeing triangular light patterns and not a specific craft per se, but not within the current NOSS pattern, lends to the thought of at LEAST one more group. And the fact that the majority are seen in the early to mid-evening hours demonstrates a level of validity to the dynamic of reflected sunlight. Another point, along with no sound in many cases, is the short duration of those sightings and the straight-line flights. Direction of travel would depend on what part of the orbital segment is occurring at any given time.

In any case at slightly less than two hours per revolution there's ample opportunity to see if any of this holds enough water to limit the scope of the Black Triangle enigma in such a way as to be able to focus only on the elements that are left uncertain. If the satellites do in fact account for the majority of sightings (and why no one apparently sees them land or take off) from anywhere then it just may be a large leap in the right direction in helping to reduce UFO fear to an even greater degree.

Oh, and BTW, this info isn't a state security issue as it's all available on the WWW if one cares to put it all together. No big deal- it's public information but it's stuff just not generally well advertised as you can imagine.

Hello All,



As sort of an addendum to all of this it should be understood that the U.S. more than likely isn't the only entity to put this kind of system into play. So with that in mind one could probably go with the idea that other countries' "triangles" are up there. On the back shelf? I'm also keeping in mind the angle that MUFON, Robert Bigelow, et al, know and knew of this right along and that Bigelow's 2002 investigative report (and subsequent recant) along with himself had been effectively halted in his tracks from further pursuing BTs.

He of course, as many of you know, now has controlling interest in MUFON and has been more or less sanctioned (via a memo) by the U.S.'s FAA as the go to for anyone wishing to file a report with that Agency.

All in all, an extremely interesting pursuit if in fact it all ties together.



Regards, Sherlock.

Hello All,

I think that this a good time to say that I really don't give two hoots that these satellite systems are deployed. It doesn't bother me at all about their purpose real or imagined as I sense that the World is a better and safer place because of them. The issue I have is the continued ignoring by TPTB of their existence of even while this aspect of the Black Triangle phenomenon is continually being reported and the "hoax" perpetrated on the public goes virtually unabated.

Someone should do the right thing and step up to square things away. Again- it's ridiculous that the important service of protecting the public from ill intent by an outside aggressor has the side effect of allowing wild speculations of triangular Alien spacecrafts. I think it's time for TPTB and the people they govern to grow up.

[ronigical]

Nov 4, 2011 3:16:14 GMT 1 @hiflier said:

Hello All,

Just got out of a rabbit hole pursuing some of the "transparent" Black Triangles in which an observer only sees the lights on the three corners and an apparent transfer of the starfield behind the craft onto it's lower surface as a cloaking device rendering it virtually invisible to the eye. I've read several reports WRT this but afterwards I always had a sense that something wasn't quite right with the picture.

In other words why all the expense and effort at this cat-and-mouse stuff if one is going to leave the lights ON? Well folks, here is what I've discovered and am in the process of organizing data for:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Ocean_Surveillance_System

www.eclipsetours.com/sat/class.html

Just thought the info would be of benefit in my race to eliminate One's fear of UFO's so that the real work can begin. That of getting the real facts from the real people that know. But first, the fear factor has to dissappear.

Please excuse the long absence- these things take time as you must by now know .Over the next two or three weeks I hope to have a handle of just what groups of satellites are still operating within the NOSS (or similar) system. After observing the seeming repetitive orbital pattern of one designated group, 1996-029D, I think that the coverage by that one group alone must be, and probably is, only part of a larger system that generates more in the way of scope.

I'm of course going on two or three ideas here. The fact that some folks report only seeing triangular light patterns and not a specific craft per se, but not within the current NOSS pattern, lends to the thought of at LEAST one more group. And the fact that the majority are seen in the early to mid-evening hours demonstrates a level of validity to the dynamic of reflected sunlight. Another point, along with no sound in many cases, is the short duration of those sightings and the straight-line flights. Direction of travel would depend on what part of the orbital segment is occurring at any given time.

In any case at slightly less than two hours per revolution there's ample opportunity to see if any of this holds enough water to limit the scope of the Black Triangle enigma in such a way as to be able to focus only on the elements that are left uncertain. If the satellites do in fact account for the majority of sightings (and why no one apparently sees them land or take off) from anywhere then it just may be a large leap in the right direction in helping to reduce UFO fear to an even greater degree.

Oh, and BTW, this info isn't a state security issue as it's all available on the WWW if one cares to put it all together. No big deal- it's public information but it's stuff just not generally well advertised as you can imagine.

Why would "they" be able to cloak their entire ship except three lights?

Hello ronigal,

That is the very point of this thread and exactly what was gnawing at me when I read the reports of BTs that had starfields imaged on their lower surface. Now this, of course does not take into consideration other types of sightings- only the ones I have described in the OP. So when the indentical question you have posed came up I decided to look deeper into it. The NOSS satelite systems as well other time-delayed constellations deployed by other countries as well as the various GPS configurations does fill the bill when it comes to these particular types of triangle sightings. And that's pretty much it in a nutshell. As for the rest? I'm still working on them.

[ronigical]

Nov 10, 2011 0:03:24 GMT 1 @hiflier said:

Hello ronigal,

That is the very point of this thread and exactly what was gnawing at me when I read the reports of BTs that had starfields imaged on their lower surface. Now this, of course does not take into consideration other types of sightings- only the ones I have described in the OP. So when the indentical question you have posed came up I decided to look deeper into it. The NOSS satelite systems as well other time-delayed constellations deployed by other countries as well as the various GPS configurations does fill the bill when it comes to these particular types of triangle sightings. And that's pretty much it in a nutshell. As for the rest? I'm still working on them.

This gives me reason to suspect CGI/Hoax.

Hello ronigal,

Yes, I agree but in the reports that I've read there is no media element; just an eyewitness account.

[uforn]

Nov 10, 2011 0:03:24 GMT 1 @hiflier said:

Hello ronigal,

That is the very point of this thread and exactly what was gnawing at me when I read the reports of BTs that had starfields imaged on their lower surface. Now this, of course does not take into consideration other types of sightings- only the ones I have described in the OP. So when the indentical question you have posed came up I decided to look deeper into it. The NOSS satelite systems as well other time-delayed constellations deployed by other countries as well as the various GPS configurations does fill the bill when it comes to these particular types of triangle sightings. And that's pretty much it in a nutshell. As for the rest? I'm still working on them.

So what are you saying hiflier? are you saying that black triangle UFO sightings are just satellites?

Hello uforn,

For the Black Triangle sightings that report the characteristic of have the ability to transfer the starfield from behind them onto their undersides as a cloaking mechanism I see the satellite systems as the answer to them. And as I said I'm still working on the other types of sightings but I'm getting the notion that BTs are in fact military and that some of the MUFON reports are fabricated. Not ALL of course- but some. Try to understand that this is not a debunking type witch hunt as I am , and always have been, fairly convinced that Black Triangles are military in nature and that disinformation would be par for the course.

For instance, when I first started looking into the NOSS systems It wasn't until, after a while of research, that I realized that on a given launch date the NOSS type systems' designations were sometimes listed as an OPS number, a NOSS number, or a 4-digit number. All on the same launch date. So a cursory clance at the list would not show any grouping whatsoever.

Like I stated before, the information is there for public viewing but it is not so easy to follow along because at first all the launches for one date appear to be unrelated when after closer inspection there is indeed a relationship that exists.

[uforn]

Nov 15, 2011 23:59:08 GMT 1 @hiflier said:

Hello uforn,

For the Black Triangle sightings that report the characteristic of have the ability to transfer the starfield from behind them onto their undersides as a cloaking mechanism I see the satellite systems as the answer to them. And as I said I'm still working on the other types of sightings but I'm getting the notion that BTs are in fact military and that some of the MUFON reports are fabricated. Not ALL of course- but some. Try to understand that this is not a debunking type witch hunt as I am , and always have been, fairly convinced that Black Triangles are military in nature and that disinformation would be par for the course.

For instance, when I first started looking into the NOSS systems It wasn't until, after a while of research, that I realized that on a given launch date the NOSS type systems' designations were sometimes listed as an OPS number, a NOSS number, or a 4-digit number. All on the same launch date. So a cursory clance at the list would not show any grouping whatsoever.

Like I stated before, the information is there for public viewing but it is not so easy to follow along because at first all the launches for one date appear to be unrelated when after closer inspection there is indeed a relationship that exists.

I'll wait for the rest of your Research on the Satellite theory

I too think that some Triangle sightings could be Military. But what gets me is why would they test / fly them over populated areas and in the flight paths of commercial aircraft ?.

Say for instance it was the US Military testing there Black Project TR3B or whatever other secret aircraft they have that is triangular in shape. What if they crashed in another country say Russia this would lead to the Russians getting hold of this advanced technology.

I really dont think they would be that stupid to test there Top Secret Aircraft over populated areas and risk the technology getting into enemy hands since there are many places they would be able to do this without ever getting noticed. It just doesnt make sense if you ask me.

The more I look into it the less it seems likely that it is the Military.

[uforn]

I might be interested in helping you out in this research if you dont mind ? But I need to know exactly which sightings etc we are looking at here. Because alot of sightings that are reported are very low in the sky from say 100ft to 20,000ft or so. And going by video evidence of some of these sightings the 3 lights are much larger than any satellites that are orbiting the earth.

Hello uforn,

I think what I should do is get the reports together and you might look them over a bit if you have time. Like I'm trying to get across, these reports are very specific about what the witnesses are describing so it by no mens accounts for all BT sightings. For the other types it's hard to weed out the real ones from the misinformation so one must establish a parameter for what one is willing to accept as viable and realistic.

I can see where a believer truly struggles with this stuff. It's a complete mess. MUFON needs a housecleaning and some questionable ties severed.

[uforn]

Nov 19, 2011 16:19:58 GMT 1 @hiflier said:

Hello uforn,

I think what I should do is get the reports together and you might look them over a bit if you have time. Like I'm trying to get across, these reports are very specific about what the witnesses are describing so it by no mens accounts for all BT sightings. For the other types it's hard to weed out the real ones from the misinformation so one must establish a parameter for what one is willing to accept as viable and realistic.

I can see where a believer truly struggles with this stuff. It's a complete mess. MUFON needs a housecleaning and some questionable ties severed.

Hello hiflier,

Yes get them together so I can take a look, maybe we can establish whether any satellites were in the vicinity of where the sightings occured at the time.

[ronigical]

There is NO WAY the triangle I saw in Aug. 1968 was from ANY military that originates from this planet.

Hello uforn,

OK. It will take some time because I do not wish to present only one or two examples. In fact perhaps six or more would be necessary for any research to see a pattern or establish a match for this type of sighting. There already has been correlations made by others so I'll see if I can locate that data as well. Thank you for the encouragement for as you know it gets easier to bang one's head against the wall if one has rooters in the stands!

Talk soon.

Hello ronigical,

This is not about that I assure you. This is about a very specific type of sighting that could only occur after 1976 after the satellites in question were deployed. I'll get some example sightings together and you will see what I mean.

BTW I built a very simplified EM detector just to rule out UFOs in my neighborhood. Don't know if it works yet. Who knows maybe it's really a UFO repeller so none will even approach the area

Hello All,

Well, here's my take on the UFO internet. It's a wasteland. Unless I can get at the hidden intelligence internet (Intelink) or some other "alternet" resource and get around on it then the subject of UFOs will continue to be a never-ending circle of repeated ambiguity. As far as I can see, I've gone as far in a few short months as anyone has gone after years of investigation.

Unless someone has a very tactical and unique "spider" then the Web will continue to be useless other than for getting a cursory education WRT anything Alien other than enormous conjecture; which is mind numbing to the point of being unhealthy. I have no choice but to yield to the overwhelming odds stacked against the community and do seriously think at this point that nothing short of all out action as a whole will get anywhere. If in fact anyone wants to progress to an answer at all!

I do not trust MUFON to tell the Truth and do hold to the concept that the Organization, while staffed with people that are mostly trustworthy, cares not about anything but itself and whatever it finds out will never be distributed to the public. Just more ridiculous cloak and dagger stuff which serves no one's interest but the agents that it is now set up to serve. It's a puppet Organization that has lost it's backbone. Sad because it was set up to succeed where others have failed- only to fail itself.

There is no hope for the UFO community quite honestly and an answer will not be forthcoming for anyone unless some kind of undeniable pressure can be brought to bear in all directions. It will take some strong organizational skill with a foolproof plan of action that once started could never then back down. Don't ask me what that could entail in scope because I haven't a clue. But earlier in this thread I mentioned a line of logic WRT disclosure that I thought might be an interesting approach. And it is this fine-pointed argument:

The U.S. Government recently honored a petition brought to it concerning any knowledge of Alien contact which was addressed by saying that there is nothing that the government has knowledge of nor does it know of any agencies that are hiding anything. Well if that's the case then the Government is complicit in allowing UFO conferences to continue perpetrating not only an apparent hoax on the public but also the fact that the conferences have created an industry that has been lying to the public for over fifty years- unabated. I say that the Government is complicit because of the millions in tax revenue it has collected off of the sales of books, author's incomes, hotel fees, air fare, money for tours like Roswell, and all the paraphenalia that believers purchase worldwide. It out and out makes governments accomplices in a fraud scheme that is soley set up tp bilk the public by lying to them.

Now. If that is not the case, and governments allow these conferences because they are after the Truth and therefore must be on the up and up then the U.S. Government must be lying in their denial of Alien or UFO existence. If one wanted to play hardball then the fact that governments cannot have it both ways could be one avenue to take. Personally in the black and white aspect there is, and can be, NO middle road. Either close the conferences as being detrimental to the health and security of the public as well as the government or, if not, then admit to the public that Aliens and UFOs exist.

That is what my experience on this and other Forums has brought me to- THE WALL! Either yes or no across the board. Stop sending the mixed message to the public or come clean as to why you don't think you need to

And there it is folks. Could be the Swan Song but if you ask me it has come to this point- and probably for good reason. YA THINK?

Regards, hiflier.

[ronigical]

Nov 27, 2011 16:28:10 GMT 1 @hiflier said:

Hello All,

Well, here's my take on the UFO internet. It's a wasteland. Unless I can get at the hidden intelligence internet (Intelink) or some other "alternet" resource and get around on it then the subject of UFOs will continue to be a never-ending circle of repeated ambiguity. As far as I can see, I've gone as far in a few short months as anyone has gone after years of investigation.

Unless someone has a very tactical and unique "spider" then the Web will continue to be useless other than for getting a cursory education WRT anything Alien other than enormous conjecture; which is mind numbing to the point of being unhealthy. I have no choice but to yield to the overwhelming odds stacked against the community and do seriously think at this point that nothing short of all out action as a whole will get anywhere. If in fact anyone wants to progress to an answer at all!

I do not trust MUFON to tell the Truth and do hold to the concept that the Organization, while staffed with people that are mostly trustworthy, cares not about anything but itself and whatever it finds out will never be distributed to the public. Just more ridiculous cloak and dagger stuff which serves no one's interest but the agents that it is now set up to serve. It's a puppet Organization that has lost it's backbone. Sad because it was set up to succeed where others have failed- only to fail itself.

There is no hope for the UFO community quite honestly and an answer will not be forthcoming for anyone unless some kind of undeniable pressure can be brought to bear in all directions. It will take some strong organizational skill with a foolproof plan of action that once started could never then back down. Don't ask me what that could entail in scope because I haven't a clue. But earlier in this thread I mentioned a line of logic WRT disclosure that I thought might be an interesting approach. And it is this fine-pointed argument:

The U.S. Government recently honored a petition brought to it concerning any knowledge of Alien contact which was addressed by saying that there is nothing that the government has knowledge of nor does it know of any agencies that are hiding anything. Well if that's the case then the Government is complicit in allowing UFO conferences to continue perpetrating not only an apparent hoax on the public but also the fact that the conferences have created an industry that has been lying to the public for over fifty years- unabated. I say that the Government is complicit because of the millions in tax revenue it has collected off of the sales of books, author's incomes, hotel fees, air fare, money for tours like Roswell, and all the paraphenalia that believers purchase worldwide. It out and out makes governments accomplices in a fraud scheme that is soley set up tp bilk the public by lying to them.

Now. If that is not the case, and governments allow these conferences because they are after the Truth and therefore must be on the up and up then the U.S. Government must be lying in their denial of Alien or UFO existence. If one wanted to play hardball then the fact that governments cannot have it both ways could be one avenue to take. Personally in the black and white aspect there is, and can be, NO middle road. Either close the conferences as being detrimental to the health and security of the public as well as the government or, if not, then admit to the public that Aliens and UFOs exist.

That is what my experience on this and other Forums has brought me to- THE WALL! Either yes or no across the board. Stop sending the mixed message to the public or come clean as to why you don't think you need to

And there it is folks. Could be the Swan Song but if you ask me it has come to this point- and probably for good reason. YA THINK?

Regards, hiflier.

That's it? Throw up your hands and quit? I've been searching for the answer since 1963 and I will not stop until I have the answer or I'm no longer on top of the grass. 99% of the info available online can be scraped off a barn floor. But the remaining 1%...that's where the gold is. I know they are not from here. I've seen them on four occasions. I've heard a huge black triangle as it flew over very close to me. The answer is there for you in the reports of credible witnesses, such as yours truely. Hang in there.

Hello ronigical,

Better minds than mine and with the best resources haven't been able to crack this. You yourself been at it for 47 years by my reckoning and haven't as yet dug up that 1%. If Aliens are real then all I see is subtrefuge which some may interpret as an answer of sorts in and of itself.

My argument is to stop researching, or at least while one IS researching, don't leave out the more stringent and daring approaches in which, if the solution exists, could be exposed by means other than one person with the proverbial shovel trying to be a hero to the rest. The first one to find the truth and blow the whistle on the whole affair. It could happen one day but not with the solo endeavors of today no matter how diligent.

So is it that you do not agree that a more widespread effort is called for? If goading one member of the Forum (who took the broader, more encompassing push for things at the Global level, trying to spur the UFO community of believers into action as a group) to keep banging their head against the proverbial wall a better method? Individualizing any efforts is unsound and non-productive. It will take EVERY believer working together to make it happen

[ronigical]

Nov 27, 2011 19:48:18 GMT 1 @hiflier said:

Hello ronigical,

Better minds than mine and with the best resources haven't been able to crack this. You yourself been at it for 47 years by my reckoning and haven't as yet dug up that 1%. If Aliens are real then all I see is subtrefuge which some may interpret as an answer of sorts in and of itself.

My argument is to stop researching, or at least while one IS researching, don't leave out the more stringent and daring approaches in which, if the solution exists, could be exposed by means other than one person with the proverbial shovel trying to be a hero to the rest. The first one to find the truth and blow the whistle on the whole affair. It could happen one day but not with the solo endeavors of today no matter how diligent.

So is it that you do not agree that a more widespread effort is called for? If goading one member of the Forum (who took the broader, more encompassing push for things at the Global level, trying to spur the UFO community of believers into action as a group) to keep banging their head against the proverbial wall a better method? Individualizing any efforts is unsound and non-productive. It will take EVERY believer working together to make it happen

I do not believe that minds better than yours' exsist. Some may be more knowledgeable but not better. If you feel as if I am "goading" you, I would like to take this oppertunity to apologize for the insult as that was and is not my intent. I feel if just ONE person gives up we all loose and as you have done an exemplary job while on this site, I personally and professionaly hope you change your position and continue the good work you have done for all.

Hello ronigical,

I am, for once, speechless.

Hello All,

Well, I got over that one!

Now to continue..........

When one develops a theory there has to be a set of facts involved or the theory remains in the arena of the hypothetical. A lot of you know this already but it's important that you know that I know it as well. Lets say I draw a line down the middle of a sheet of paper. The left half would have data as it might be interpreted by a non-believer. The right side would have the same data but would be, instead, interpreted by a believer.

Okay. Now let's add in the facts WRT the two "ask ET" projects. Since everyone already knows the outcome of the two exercises we can dispense with the tiny details but overall the results created two sets of issues where decisions needed to be made. One set is would say that ET didn't show up because they don't exist. That would automatically go into the left non-believer column. In the right column the issue could be under the sub-heading "skeptic". Now for the second issue: If ET exists then why didn't they show. Well, in the left column that issue would be referred to Item 1) they don't exist. Period

However, when listed in the right column of the believer it becomes, or SHOULD become, an entirely different matter rife with speculations, reasons, data perhaps based on knowledge or, at least, very educated guesses. I have to say that there was nothing across any of the Forums that passed even close to a dialogue about the subject of the no-show. Even after several promptings to try and enrich the UFO landscape by serious delving into the matter the general response was zero, and I can understand, because so little is really known.

But I guess what bothered me the most was that enthusiasm over the subject of UFOs in general seemed so depressed as to appear as if the spirit of the believer was dead and caught in kind of a no-man's land where no one was trying any more. You know, there is a characteristic inherent in the Human condition that was from the beginning a vital aspect of our survival instinct and therefore helped ensure our self preservation. That characteristic is the fact that if there is a mystery then it needs solving. That quality is present in nearly all living things such the curiosity of cats and animals that perk up and use all there faculties to test their environment for danger and ascertain whether the need to fight or flee will present itself.

Newton was able to transform that trait into the field of physics. Doctors do it with medical research, Stephen Hawking with the Cosmos, and NASA with figuring out the trajectory of asteroids and comets. You get the picture.

But with UFOs something has happened to believers because of overwhelming information from all sides but little to back it up. Then along comes me with what were viewed as stupid little projects; BUT.......they weren't. Okay. Back to that divided piece of paper. Let's just say for discussion that hundreds of different senarios for the no-show are now flying around the internet Forums (and beyond). Every kind of reason one could think of, but no one agrees with anyone else. Why not? It's because of skipping the step of proving exixtence first.

But if one is a believer then proof of existence doesn't really matter because a believer "knows" they exist. So in the right column of the paper, a believer has settled for a no-show. PERIOD. No questions asked. This is really the point where the Human "mystery" gene should be kicking in BIG time. Because if existence is real then what is the purpose of being here if not to invade us? So, now that I've set up the question of "Why then are they here" I will do a theoretical senario:

They are here to perform a rescue. Now this would not be a rescue of the Human Race because we have wrecked our environment as genetically we will grow into those kinds of changes. The kind of rescue I'm getting at would be because maybe we WERE on the verge of pushing those nuclear buttons to the extent that UFOs showed up at the silos and quite simply shut down the armed and energized ICBMs as a slap on the hand saying that instant anihilation of the Race just WILL NOT HAPPEN. OK. Another senario would be total and complete destruction for afar by a celestial body therefore- rescue. Or something else that I've been looking at with guidance from a colleague. The geological record shows that lethal and also sometimes DNA-changing cosmic ray bursts have had catastrophic effects on this Planet as recently as 11, 000 years ago. And that numerous episodes have occurred as varyingly harsh and mild events. That's why I say "theory" because these events are facts.

Let's say a major solar flare strike here, or an instance of a nearby type 1a supernova, or a Gamma Ray Burst from billions of light years out. These events would sterilize this Globe and not be good for any living thing. So is ET here because of an up and coming event? Have they done this before?I mean is there a rash of abductions after a particularly large solar prominence.? Is ET looking for genetic changes caused by cosmic radiation? Are the reports of more painful abductions those done by technicians "just doing their jobs" and the kinder abductions done by the "doctor/scientists".

Now I don't know about anyone else but if I was a believer I would be working hard at looking at everything and trying to ask all the questions. I'm not saying that it isn't the case, all Im saying is it's time perhaps to look beyond sightings and UFO reports and all the stuff that goes with them and make an effort to get a larger picture that everyone can agree with and discuss. I mean who cares where ET is from or whether there are different kinds. Those things are so short sighted as to cloud over the issues that do need serious attention.

That's what I would do and where I would go with it.............if I was a believer that is.

Hello All, again,

The underlying implications of the last post and the "Swan Song" posted previous is that any denial or coverup by governments could be for reasons that are way larger than just little ol' ET and we are missing the boat by not asking the right questions. Because if there's one thing I know it's this: governments may answer a question but if it's the wrong one they will not tell you it's the wrong question nor will they volunteer information otherwise. Policy. So the trick is to ask the right questions in the first place.

[uforn]

Hello hiflier,

Can we please stay on topic with the 'Black Triangles'

This is starting to get really confusing especially for someone just coming in to read the thread that has no knowledge of the 'say hello to et' project and some of the other stuff your talking about.


Maybe you could start another thread on the 'say hello to et project' and its implications of what did or didnt happen ?



I dont suppose you have sorted the sighting reports out on this yet ?

Hello uforn,

Good call with staying on topic. And I've been looking at the MUFON and NUFORC databases and feel these fit the profile although, strangely enough a Google search keeps coming up with my OP. I'll stay wth it:

www.nuforc.org/webreports/003/S03136.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/079/S79564.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/079/S79967.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/082/S82406.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/084/S84256.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/084/S84284.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/084/S84554.html

[uforn]

Nov 30, 2011 1:53:34 GMT 1 @hiflier said:

Hello uforn,

Good call with staying on topic. And I've been looking at the MUFON and NUFORC databases and feel these fit the profile although, strangely enough a Google search keeps coming up with my OP. I'll stay wth it:

www.nuforc.org/webreports/003/S03136.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/079/S79564.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/079/S79967.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/082/S82406.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/084/S84256.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/084/S84284.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/084/S84554.html

Hello hiflier,

The following sighting reports can be ruled out from your theory that they are satellites:

www.nuforc.org/webreports/079/S79967.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/082/S82406.html
www.nuforc.org/webreports/084/S84256.html

These do not fit in with your theory as they are all reported to be low in the sky, two of them the witnesses could see the colour or distinctive shape of the objects. The other report just claims it was low in the sky with very limited information.

Now if Im not mistaken the thread is about 'Transparent Black Triangles'. No-where in any of the other reports does it suggest that the triangles were transparent, in order for your theory to have some substance the reports have to fit in with your theory in every way.

This sighting: www.nuforc.org/webreports/003/S03136.html seems to fit your theory the best even though it does not state that it was transparent. The witness says and I quote:

dimly lit lights, appeared to be orbiting, ressembled a constellation, yet unlike a constellation, as seen from earth, the object transversed the sky at a tremenedous velocity (flight path followed the arc of the atmosphere). Appeared massive, never changed direction, speed, or configuration of its six or more (I cleary saw six)dim white lights. The object dissapeared when it dropped towards the horizon, due to city glare from the metropolitan Miami area.

Going off the fact the witness says its flight-path followed the arc of the earth it could very well have been satellites. But the witness also says that there were at least six lights in configeration what do you think the chances are that six satellites are flying in a triangle formation at any given time? I'd say it would be very very low indeed if at all.

Hello uforn,

It hasn't been that easy to find the reports that fit the bill but I will say that "low in the sky" is a subjective observation. These satellite formations seem to be "low" because their proximity to each other makes them appear large. One's mind will fill in the details then make the judgement call as to altitude. The dim lighting would be one characteristic. And no, I would not expect more than three lights max at a time, no center light, but then the three U.S. groups are not the only ones up there either. Even so fhough, I agree, the chances of any two groups being together, even if from different governments, would probably be slim to none.

And not to worry, I'm not going anywhere until I find the reports that I saw. It was 6-10 months back and as you know the databases are a mess. MUFON's is nearly impossible when trying to collate data. All one gets to search on is the "UFO Stalker" map site. What a joke. But the real joke is on anyone who wishes to do research without joining or becoming a FI. Makes it hard to access anything substantial. NUFORC is better but last Winter and Spring and I wasn't going there much because I was a novice and MUFON's map had that "WOW" factor.

Hello uforn,

This may be the most famous account:

xenophilius.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/illinois-ufos-police-witnesses/

[uforn]

Dec 2, 2011 0:20:54 GMT 1 @hiflier said:

Hello uforn,

This may be the most famous account:

xenophilius.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/illinois-ufos-police-witnesses/

Hello hiflier,

Below is a documentary on this sighting which was witnessed by several witnesses including police officers over southern Illinois on January 5 2000.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=618Uqte_g1I


www.youtube.com/watch?v=49XQMT-NR-g&feature=related


www.youtube.com/watch?v=noQr7PBLPyc&feature=related


www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PlxWAKDeuE&feature=related


www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H6avMvXK5M&feature=related

[uforn]

Hello hiflier,

I thought I should embed the video from the link you posted as the Interviews are from a later date in that one>

Did you watch the full documentary I posted ?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMId8qScMJY&feature=player_embedded